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E-mail from Anne Rahamut Okay, Tom, let's begin again. Here are some chronologies that I think pin down your Frederick Oliver Teeple as a son of Frederick Teeple and Margaret McCallum. If you see something that's not right, by all means tell me. Here am I, busy telling YOU, and what if I'M all wrong! hunt's luck, Anne ---------------------------- 1. In 1860, there's your Fred underlined, aged 5, with his father Frederick and his mother Margaret and all his siblings. Also there's his uncle James Teeple and his family. # On 16 June, 1860, Frederick Teeple , born Canada, was 65 and living with wife Margaret, age 40 in Clyde Twp St., Clair Co MI with children William 20 labourer born Canada, Pelham 18 labourer born Canada, Hiram? 12 born Canada, (all the rest born MI) Henry 10, Malcolm 9, Mary Ann 7, Fred Jr. 5, Cath 4, Gilbert 1. The next family listed was James 32, cooper, Fidelia 29, born NY, Charles 4, and Emma 2. source: 1860 U.S. Census, Clyde Twp, St. Clair Co MI --------------------------- 2. Now, in 1870, your Fred is 10 years older, listed by his second name, Oliver, age 14. His father is now born NB which translates into New Brunswick. His mother Margaret has died. # In 1870, Frederick Teeple, born in NB, was 75 years old and living with Hiram 21, Henry 20, Malcolm 18, Mary 16, Oliver 14, Catherine 12, Gilbert 10. In the same house were James Teeple age 40 born in Canada, Fidelia 38, Charles 14, Emmer 12, Carrie 2, Ellen 1. source: 1870 U.S. Census, Clyde Twp, St. Clair Co MI ----------------------------- 3. In 1877, Frederick Oliver's father, Frederick has died and his probate papers of 1879 list F.O. as Oliver. He is now 8 years older, 21 years old. # In Frederick's probate file, there are listed all his children and the grandchildren of his deceased children: "Daughters Ellen Sutherland, age 52, Oswell [sic - Orwell], Elgin Co Ontario, Mary Ann Doan, age 25 years, Clyde St. Clair Co Mich, Catherine Teeple, age 19 years, Clyde, St. Clair Co. Mich, Whelthey Warren, deceased; her children Marion Maria Warren age 34 years, William Washington Warren 32 years (Chatham Post Office Ont) Wilber Wellington, 30 years, and Walter Windom Warren age 28 years, Saginaw City Mich; Sons, Alanson Teeple, 43 years, Woodstock, Oxford Co Ont, Frederick Fernell, 34 years, Dundalk County of Huron, Ont, Hiland 29 years, Henry 27 years, Malcolm, 25 years, Gilbert 17 years, Oliver 21 years of Clyde Township, St. Clair Co Mich, William Teeple deceased his child Olive aged 15 years, Lexington, Sanilac Co Mich, Pelham Teeple deceased, his child Adison Pelham aged 15 years, Clyde Township St. Clair Co Mich ------------------------------ 4. In 1900, Fred was 45. That is 23 years later than the probate records - and 45-23=22, close enought to the age of Oliver in the probate. And his birth year of 1854 is a near perfect match to the 1860 census age of 5 and the 1870 census age as 14 (Depending on whether the census was taken before or after the birthdate, of course). # In 1900, Fred was 45 years old born Jun 1854 MI, married 12 years, with Eliza J. 44 born Nov 1855, seven children born 6 alive, born Canada, both parents born Ireland, came to US 1869, with Delila 12 born Jan 1888 MI, Earl 11 born Mar 1889, Cora 9 born Apr 1891, Wallace 6 born Aug 1893, Wilson 5 born Sep 1894. source: 1900 census, Haynes Twp, Alcona Co MI, p. 53A and 53B -------------------------- 5. Now for a few items about Fred O's father, Frederick. a. He was NOT born in the U.S. # On 8 October, 1856, Frederick Teeple signed his intention to become a U.S. citizen. source: Declaration of Intention, Michigan State Archives, Lansing MI, copy with Anne b. I have a huge file of Frederick Teeple's land transactions in Clyde Twp, St. Clair Co MI after 1856 when he settled for life in Michigan. c. We've been working slowly on Margaret McCallum's family. We've found what seem to be family members in Michigan, but none in Canada. The Scottish connexion is entirely possible, but not yet proved. d. For modern researchers, Frederick's life has been a challenge to uncover. Finding those probate papers really allowed all sorts of possibilities to be either kept as fact or discarded.